[quote=“URoy, post:60, topic:766, full:true”]
[quote=“Wifi, post:59, topic:766”]
Good points as always URoy - but… while the bit about not having the players to beat the top four is correct, and has been correct since the start of Daly’s time (maybe you could argue about were we fourth or fifth in certain years - 2013 I would have put us top 4). But for me the point now is that I don’t think we are top 8 in championship terms. Ok in the league we survive top 6, but when it gets down to a must win game, div 1B teams like Limerick can beat us. I reckon we have gone back 3 or 4 places in the overall pecking order. [/quote]
Disagree that the Limerick League QF was a ‘must win’ game. Our ‘must win’ games in the league were Galway, Cork and Waterford and we won all three. Don’t forget we had only 2 home games in the regulation section of the league this year, so staying out of the relegation playoff while blooding new players was always going to be a good achievement of itself. Anything we did in the knockout phase of the league would have been a bonus for me. Yes, it was disappointing to lose to Limerick but I think complacency was to blame there, I’m convinced we’d have beaten them in the Qualifiers had we met as I believe their physical conditioning fell back a lot this year and we’d have beaten them on that alone on the harder ground.
I think that league qtr final was a must win because it was in PP, and we had a good momentum/form. We badly needed some consistency of performance/results going into championship, and to build the team further, regardless of championship. It would have given us a serious game against a top team in a league semi-final. And going back to the record in PP, we allowed it go tamely, and I think it knocked the stuffing out of us to some extent, it certainly didn’t help build confidence/belief.
I don’t think things like that should be underestimated, it was one of the things that was like a small foundation of bedrock for Dublin hurlers, ‘we don’t lose in the Nell’, and to do it to a team that wasn’t top 3 in Ireland, and wasn’t operating at near their best this year (as we all know), was worse. I would speculate it showed that the coach(es) did not really care too much about it. And that re-inforced any bad tone that might already have been there. It was even a small opportunity for management & players to bond even, ‘we are all together against the world in Parnell’, and it was discarded. Little things, but all very important.
[quote=“Wifi, post:59, topic:766”]
A team who lost all their regulation league games in 1A can beat us in championship. [/quote]
You omit mentioning the home advantage and an extra man for most of the game there like it was some sort of footnote, instead of the deciding factor.
I think we were unlucky to get Cork away at that stage, especially in Fortress PUR. No way in hell were they going to let a Ger C-trained Dublin team win that one. A game that was more winnable might have mended something a bit. In any event, losing to a team that we beat easily in the league and who were then beaten by Wexford can only have reallly undermined things further, regardless of the bad luck of who it was, when it was, and where it was.
I’m probably out of touch with the modderrin era of communication but I think the whole social media drip drip of negative discourse is poison that has undermined alot of what was great about how personal issues were handled in gaelic games. Or maybe I’m hopelessly out of touch and this is just normal discourse for the times we live in. I’m old school in many ways so I feel things must be done in some sort of honourable way, either through appropriate background channels, or right up front, neck on the line.