It's obvious that Billy Walsh's departure has been a massive loss but it's not the sole reason the boxers aren't going as well as some expected either.
Paddy Barnes was never going to be a medal hope when he was struggling to make the weight and hasn't made that weight in two years.
Joe Ward got into a scrap instead of staying out and picking off his punches from long range.
David Oliver Joyce got beaten by Selimov who's World number 2 and wasn't expected to beat him.
Still two real hopes in Katie and Conlon for medals