Doping in GAA


#82

@alanoc I can only deduce that he got the ban for being stupid enough to not consult his team doctor that he wanted to try something different to what was recommended. Unlucky he may have been to have fallen foul of a contaminated batch…


#83

You can’t be banned for not consulting your doctor. And how could his nutritionist have helped him? Would s/he have information that the company that made the product didn’t have? Secret information that the company only gave to nutritionists?

The speed which people want to hang, draw and quarter this young fella is worrying. And the absence of natural justice is absolutely shocking.

Of course it has nothing to do with the jersey he wears.


#84

He had three appeals?


#85

Seems strange that a product in a sealed container could be contaminated. Does that mean that other sports people are at a higher risk than usual of failing dope tests if a whole batch of the product was contaminated during or at the manufacturing stage?


#86

@alanoc you should stop going around trying to put words in other people’s mouths, I couldn’t care less if he played for Kerry or Carlow and I’m not looking to hang, draw and quarter him.

There is every chance that the nutritionist would not have approved of him purchasing that product and recommending an alternative and then none of this would have potentially occurred.

The fact of the matter is he made an error of judgement despite there being plenty of resources available to him so his naivety has cost him but I agree that the reaction has been slightly over the top but it’s typical given the rarity with which such incidents occur.


#87

Repeat …


#88

I think you need to look up the phrase “natural justice”. It has nothing to do with appeals.

Accepting that someone has quite literally and innocently been sold a lemon and then suspending them for six months is an affront to it.


#89

Why? There was nothing to suggest to the nutritionist or anyone else that there was any problem with the product.

So 6 months for naivety.

He’d have been shot at dawn on that basis if he was actually guilty.


#90

Why did he do it?


#91

Take supplements? Why do you think? Why does anybody? You’re obfuscating now. The Sports Council basically accepted that had been duped and suspended him for six months anyway. Argue the substance of the case.


#92

So if Diarmuid Connolly or Cluxton or Fenton were in the exact same situation you’d be fine with them getting six months? Ok if you are. I wouldn’t be.

A few people on another thread are posting the usual conspiracy theories about him being from Kerry and therefore that’s why we haven’t heard about it for a year blah, blah, blah. That;s what I was trying to get at. It should not have been directed at you specifically. My apologies for that.


#93

They have specialist people for exactly these things. If he felt there was a deficiency for any reason why not discuss with the professionals within the set-up and get their advice? Why go the self help, internet/online route that has been the downfall of many others? What is the point in having all this professional advice if you are going to go off half cocked by yourself? What was he trying to gain? I’m afraid there is only one person to blame in all this.


#94

None of which addresses the fact that he did nothing wrong according to Sport Ireland themselves. But apparently with them innocence is not a defence.


#95

Sure look at poor Seanie …


#96

I would not agree that the bans means are same for a pro as an amatuer, time wise they may be, but the consequences are much more severe for pros, basically because a year ban for a GAA player means a year without playing with his mates as Alan puts it, a year ban for a pro cyclist mean a huge loss in earnings.
I don’t know the facts of the case but it all seems very strange. First of all it seems MHA was found in his sample, secondly it wasn’ t on the list of the makeup on the pot of whatever he was taking, but yet it was in it , question is was it only in the his own personal pot or is it in them all but company does not put it on the label, surely if the company does not put it on the label there is a case to sue them.


#97

Yes indeed. Very remiss of the company considering they must know the high risks associated with their products from mislabelling. It always seems to happen to the poor innocent guys too.


#98

In fairness, it has been recognized by the powers that be that MHA was not on the label so you can’t blame the player there, but the question is how can a company selling supplements to sports people get away with putting banned substances in their products without putting it on the label.


#99

No worries, I know you weren’t aiming it at me as such.

I just find it hard to accept that given the size of the Kerry backroom team that he did the following:


#100

Also, I would be asking as many questions if any of our lads were caught doing the same


#101

Ian O’Riordan is not an unbiased source. The sport he mainly covers is rife with drugs and he’s only too willing to believe that it’s everywhere else too.

I think some people would want to begin to be careful about this. The libel laws in this country are very stringent and some journalists are sailing very close to the wind in my opinion. Once again none of what Mr. O’Riordan has tweeted addresses the fact that O’Sullivan was sold a product that did not contain all active ingredients on its label or online and no doctor or nutritionist could possibly have identified any illegal substance based on the company’s own labeling. Now to the best of my knowledge that’s actually illegal. It also renders any consultation with medical personnel all but obsolete.