Brexit


#3517

The likes of the Brexiteers and their constant referencing of immigrants and non-majority citizens are largely to blame for all that, we all agree. It’s constantly used with outrage here as a handy stick with which to beat and mock the British, under the guise of “those bad British types, not the OK ones”.

And yet the same rules apparently don’t apply to here. Here it’s now seemingly acceptable to target some immigrants and non-majority natives and then pass off any questioning of that as being PC, bleeding heart, excuse-making, apologist and so on. The reason I bring this up is that Irish people sometimes want to have our cake and eat it.


#3518

You are right. Let’s shut down the debate. Those racists are trouble. Let’s vilify all dissent and watch the far right rise. Good idea.


#3519

we have recently had a presidential candidate propose locking up an ethnic minority for “re-education” in the phoenix park with many people supporting and making excuses for him.


#3520

They’re not an ethnic minority, they’re Irish.


#3521

They are, like it or not.

https://www.paveepoint.ie/about-us/traveller-ethnicity-why-is-it-so-important/


#3522

And thus the root of the problem!


#3523

That your wrong ?


#3524

We’re never going to agree on this pal, no point in discussing it. Suffice to say, my experience of pikies has been an extremely negative one, and not one positive one at all. Not one, and I deal with them on a sometimes weekly basis.


#3525

Some people think the world is flat but there is no evidence to support this contention, so I ignore them. The same goes for travellers being ethnically different from us. The fact is, genetically, historically, linguistically etc they simply are not. No evidence supports this so I don’t have to agree.


#3526

Its not about agreeing, Facts are provable and in this case under Irish law what I posted was correct.

I have not made any other comments on any specifics that you have raised.

EDIT: now if you are in favour of locking people up without trial in a camp for “re-education” you should say that and I will be more then happy to discuss this with you. .


#3527

linguistically? do they not have their own language?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/travellers-as-genetically-different-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515 They are also genetically different to us


#3528

Guess this conversation needs to start with a definition of what is an ethnic group. Is it a genetic thing or a cultural thing. Or both.


#3529

You’re the one shutting down debate, by dismissing every opinion you don’t like as being something other than a topical opinion. Can’t argue with you at all, you’re answer to everything that you don’t like is just dismissal. You are doing the exact same thing yourself that you’re constantly complaining about.


#3530

I wasn’t aware of the paramilitary angle here @Hopper. Would you have a link to that? I’m asking out of curiosity and interest by the way - not challenging you.


#3531

Not in favour of any special treatment of them.

Should we start calling short arses ‘small people’ now? Or blokes like me ‘fattys’ and start looking to be an ethnic minority? Just because Eithne Kenny brought it in, doesn’t mean it’s correct! I disagree with the ‘law’ and the law is an ass!


#3532

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/03/06/news/dup-briefed-senior-loyalists-on-irish-language-deal-before-collapse-of-talks-1270698/

I remember there was a leaked what’s app messages with DUP & UDA on it.


#3533

Except for locking them up for re-education.?


#3534

Leaving aside the rights or wrongs for a minute

That is the definition of ethnic minority, are people saying travelers have the same cultural traditions as so called settled people?


#3535

Where did I say that? Stop making things up.


#3536

Ok, so they want to be different but treated the same then!

I really don’t think diversity covers or allows criminality and violence