Brexit


#2235

Brexiteers in a nutshell


#2236

Nothing constructive to offer.,that’s the problem.


#2238

#2239

This gal is nearly as boring as Kyle whatshisface


#2240

She is virtually the only journalist doing her job in the Uk


#2241

She’s swallowing an awful lot of jigsaw hook, line, and sinker. Or maybe she knows exactly what she’s doing, which is more disturbiing. Either way it’s an awful lot of, in effect, white noise for what outcome?

People will now think the regulation of big tech companies is a good outcome. I think it’s a gateway to more corruption.


#2242

She is reporting on the findings of the review into fake news. Think it’s pretty much on the money.

Damn right social media companies need their political advertising either entirely banned or regulated like it is in traditional media. This Wild West approach to political advertising is dangerous. Lots of people underestimate how effective it is imho.


#2243

Social media needs to be dismantled or regulated within an inch of its life, it is a plague on society.

These sites allow and encourage manipulation to encourage clicks, so that they can then sell targeted advertising to their victims and get rich in the process. They exist for no other purpose.

Facebooks share fell by $119Bn in a one day blip this week, that means that the loss in value is greater than the value of General Electric (GE) and almost the equivalent in the total market values of Nike and McDonald’s.

A fookin website with a market value of $650Bn!!?? What sort of fcuked up world are we living in where the company that steals your information, allows your kids to be bullied and freely allows all of the worst excesses of humanity to exist unencumbered without the owners seeing the inside of a jail cell for the rest of their days?


#2244

The Mainstream media have an ulterior motive in going after social media, it’s not concern that the public are being influenced by shadowy forces. That’s being happening for generations with the mainstream media. It’s two related issues

A) Social media and the monopolies who control it are destroying their revenue, Facebook and Google have really clamped down on their ability to monetize content. because they’re now the only shows in town

B) They want to turn back the clock and become the gatekeepers of what is deemed newsworthy again. They’ve lost the ability to decide what issues come to the public gaze and how they are framed.

The way to combat the malign influence social media monopolies have is the EU approach, destroy their ability to collate data on their customers and sell it. It’s not to go back to the bad old days


#2245

Whatever about the rest. Political advertising has to have basic rules (spending limits - accuracy etc) So the playing field is level. If they can’t ensure that, then they need s blanket ban. That you have Russian intelligence operations paying for anti EU ads, is just wrong. I know people think advertising doesn’t work, or question the effects, I think it is highly effective, especially on a question as complex as Eu membership. There are infinite angles you can attack/lie about.


#2246

#2247

Well said. People need to look at who are saying this about wholesale regulation, what their motivations are, and what it will actually mean/bow it will be manifest. It’s a handy sweeping broom for those who like maximum control.


#2248

Missing the point entirely, Traditional media have been very slow to attack Facebook considering what has been going on. I think some of you have your heads in the sand as to the level of illegality going on in political campaigns.


#2249

You’re repeating the same mistake someone else made, assuming people are ignorant of the obvious just because they don’t agree with what you deem to be certain, and because there’s a concensus building. Radical reactionary concensus, typical response historically.


#2250

I’m not assuming you are ignorant, earlier you suggested the guardian journalist was swallowing jigsaws. So you either don’t agree with her findings or you have your head in the sand.

The point above may be true, but it ignores what is actually happening. The way social media is being abused is not a matter of opinion, it is fact. We’ve entered an age of huge misinformation or hybrid warfare.

Saying traditional media are attacking new media because they are threatened by it is missing the point entirely. Besides most traditional media have embraced social to keep themselves alive. Those that didn’t are extinct.


#2251

Hardly radical to suggest regulating political advertising on digital platforms. Long overdue. They are regulated on every other medium. As they ought to be.


#2252

They’re slowly dying regardless of what they embrace, facebook and google now have a monopoly on ad revenue. What you’re describing in social media has been going on in mass media for as long as we’ve been alive, so the issue is not what they’re doing but rather who’s benefiting from it. The obvious answer is to declare certain companies either monopolies or public utilities, which is why google and facebook spend so much money lobbying congress.

We had the same thing with the whole hate speech trojan horse being used as a handy way to give the police far reaching and ill defined powers.


#2253

#2254

[quote="hupdeyard] What you’re describing in social media has been going on in mass media for as long as we’ve been alive, so the issue is not what they’re doing but rather who’s benefiting from it. The obvious answer is to declare certain companies either monopolies or public utilities, which is why google and facebook spend so much money lobbying congress.
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Simply not true. Suggest you read the electoral Commission (Uk) report and the MPs findings.

Nothing like this can be done on TV, in print or on radio. For one what you can do is highly regulated. Political ads are Regulated for a reason. So they should be on social media.

And there’s a paper trail with traditional media. It is impossible for Russian intelligence to book ads in the Irish times or on RTÉ. It is impossible for them to illegally harvest user data through radio one and to illegally use that data to target individuals.

Like I said earlier to say this is an attack by traditional media on social media is missing the point entirely.


#2255

No. It is just you being wrong again. You make a habit of it. You say something stupid/untrue and then empty your pram when this is pointed out to you, reverting as usual to the ‘My opinion is as valid as yours’ line. But it isn’t when what you are saying is nonsense!