Fair point, up to a point. But all sorts of cultures have managed to integrate in very different places to greater or lesser extents. Mass migrations from China to elsewhere in the past for example. India/Pakistan too. Bosnian Muslims into Germany, and then America in the 90s. Africans previously into many places.
Btw, five of my family of 7 emigrated, 4 of them for most of their lives. And my dad before them, and my mother too.
I agree though, we’re doing grand on here, anyone who has stuck their head out and given their real opinions, well that’s exactly what we need. Not all about agreement, not by a long shot.
People giving their opinions from a sense of genuine desire to see things better, no matter what those opinions are, that’s called giving a shit, and that’s a million times better than not caring and staying silent.
Yes , and then you brought a current system ( social housing & welfare ) into migration in the past . I wasn’t talking about the present , I was talking about the past & suggesting we weren’t exactly pillars of the community when we landed in America .Do you think we would have fared better back then if those services were provided ?
There is no further point in this. We are never going to agree. When people continue to argue against facts and evidence, there is no point. Millions of voters across Europe are wrong. They are all racists. The evidence that they see, in their own countries is made up. The fact that the press smear anyone who brings it up, as racist, is merely fanciful imagination. The only good people left are on here, saving all of the refugees from racists. We should take in two million migrants. No number is too many. If you don’t agree, you are a racist. If we can’t afford that, 25aliveoh and guy and Tayto will work for free. If not, they are racist. We should all take a pay cut if necessary. And we should apologise to Trump for the Irish migrants of150 years ago. We should feel guilt about them. Because its all the same really.
Cheers for that , always good to have a laugh here . Out of interest has this affected you where you live @Iomaint ? Ferrel gangs terrorising the area . I can’t really comment on that because I haven’t experienced it where I live .
I mentioned the USA because Bloomberg is an american publication and they are suggestion sweden is crippled with crime or something equally over the top, which is ironic as the USA has worse crime stats.
I thought we had done quite well to discuss this for so long without the R word rearing its head.
And yes, i do think perception on the ground can give a very inaccurate picture of what is going on in a country. For example i haven’t seen any scraps recently, but i’m sure lads are still scrapping.
In lots of countries the evidence they are told about is totally made up, both the Czech Rep and Hungary have elected anti immigration Prime Ministers when they have no immigration to speak of. Poland likewise actually.
I don’t see why anyone should feel guilt about migrants, now or 100 years ago. What it should do though is give people some empathy for their plight. The fact that immigration is being discussed on a thread titled anti social scumbags shows there might be a bit of empathy missing somewhere.
As regards taking a pay cut etc. How a country shares it’s wealth is a call for the country as a whole. We can ban everyone from ever coming to the country, or we can give everything away - the answer is somewhere in the middle and it will change over time, as it does in all countries. Personally I would feel uncomfortable living in a country that is relatively wealthy, has provided huge amount of emigrants over the centuries (and in large numbers even up to the early 2000s) and then decides it doesn’t want to help anyone else.
Couldn’t agree more . What’s putting a stain on this is people taking the absolute piss out of the system . But you would hope that for every waster abusing it there is also someone benefitting who actually is appreciative of it . Of course , that’s probably not accurate . But I’d like to believe it .